Spirituality Revealed

It’s talk to me this whole series with Oprah Winfrey Hello everybody and welcome to Talk to me. I’m Oprah and I’d like to thank you for continuing to join me here on our Soul series on XM 156. One of my favorite things to talk about in life is how we got to be who we are manifested in this body and the higher consciousness that has led us to this place over the last several months with an array of spiritual teachers we’ve had the opportunity to delve into many facets of our being our spirit the soul from Gary executive’s premise that we achieve authentic power and aligning our personalities with our soul which is something that I know to found to be true. To Dr. Tobin Hart’s insight into the secret spiritual lives of children which was fascinating because children come into the world and they come trailing the vapors from the from the other world.
It’s so wonderful to know that especially for those of you who have children we crack the souls code just a bit with Dr. James Hillman we interpreted the law of attraction with Esther Hicks and Michael OCA and with Susan Turner McElroy we embrace the deep soul connection that we all share with our animal companions those are just some of the people we’ve been talking to over the past several weeks in our Soul series. Well one aspect of the soul we have yet to explore that I had infinitely found fascinating is the idea that there exists ascending levels of consciousness. Stay with me people a sort of ladder of spiritual enlightenment on which our souls can be measured consciousness map. And I came to this this theory this idea as presented by Dr. David R. Hawkins. I read a book not too long ago called power versus force.
And Dr Hawkins says there also exists a defensible scientifically based method that confirms the reality of spiritual truth. Dr Hawkins is an author. He is a spiritual teacher who is on the leading edge of consciousness research. Though best known for his book that I just happened someone presented me with several weeks ago but he’s best known for power versus force. The hidden determinants of human behavior. But has written many other books his sixth and most recent release in this progressive series is called discovery of the presence of God. So I’m really happy that Dr Hawkins can join us from Phoenix. Warm sunny Phoenix Arizona today. Welcome to talk to me.
Very very nice to be here in the spirit Rivera.
Well I am you know the way the way life works things coming to your life as you are prepared to receive them. And so I have been. Yes that happens I’ve been studying many other authors and spiritual material for the past 20 years. And I had not come across your book. I guess I just wasn’t prepared or ready for it until recently. But as I just said I found it infinitely infinitely fascinating. Your first book Power Versus force and for all of our many listeners who are as I was until several weeks ago not familiar with your esteemed work I’d like for you to begin with the story that you told in the I guess preface or introduction of the book. How back in back in the day. As I say today you were a paper boy in rural Wisconsin and there there came a storm can you start there.
The answer to my life was somewhat unusual. I remember everything was a complete blank until suddenly at age 3 at age 3 suddenly it was like klieg lights got turned on in a dark stadium from nothingness. Suddenly I went into shock realizing I existed. So at age 3 I’m pondering is the highest truth existence or nonexistence.
And I know I read that and I read that that’s like the opening pages that went what kind of three you or you or I was a precocious three or you know.
So you actually remember at age three having those thoughts about existence versus nonexistence and fearing that you know if there was an is then is not is also correct yeah as it is a very stunning confrontation as a three year old. It took me 35 years to solve it to transcend that level of consciousness. Wow. OK.
I’m going to let I’m going to presume that many of our listeners are as I was several weeks ago. They haven’t read the book so I’m going to presume that most people haven’t read the book so I’m going to speak to you as a person who has read it but I’m asking the questions for people who have not. So that story about you being a paper boy. You said that you were in rural Wisconsin. You write had a 17 mile route. I think that was I thought that was pretty extensive. How old were you then with the paper route. Oh twelve twelve years on that. There was a there was it was winter in Wisconsin as we know can be brutal. And you were caught miles from home in a blizzard and the temperature as we know can drop you know with windchill to below zero in this time I think you said it was 20 degrees below zero extremely cold and it was pitch black and my routes were always 18 miles long.

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